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Your favorite quote

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I'm sure we all agree Baldur's Gate is loaded with highly memorable quotes. Which one is your favorite?


"A cutthroat in every alley, but I’ll not let them take us alive!" As remarked in urban environments by my favorite bats**t insane necromancer in world, Xzar:3


The Unofficial "What the Heck? Who owns what BG related and when?" Thread

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Related: Atari, Hasbro, BioWare (Pre-Origin), Hasbro Interactive, Wizards of the Coast, TSR, D&D, Interplay, Black Isle Studios, SSI, Ubisoft.

For anyone who is still confused about how all of this licensing agreement stuff works and who owns what, I submit the following informational thread. Most of the info here is a correlation of what's coming off of Wikipedia, which itself has a bunch of listed primary sources for the information it contains. Very little (other than the correlation and commentary) is my own work, and most of this can be considered copyright Wikipedia and the other primary sources.

The intent here is to provide the historical reference for how we've all gotten to where we've gotten. Every company in the "related" line above has had a hand in Baldur's Gate and thus every related company above is part of the big puzzle answering the question of who owns what right now.

Here's the status of each part of this puzzle prior to the first part of the Electronic Rights fight.

Atari: Founded 1972 as Atari Inc., Transferred 1984 to Atari Corporation and Atari Games.
Hasbro (Hasbro Interactive): Founded 1968 as Hasbro, subsidiary corporation Hasbro Interactive Founded 1995.
Interplay: Founded 1983 as Interplay Productions
Black Isle Studios: Founded 1996 as a subsidiary division of Interplay
BioWare: Founded 1995 (Co-Founder Trent Oster of BeamDog/OverHaul)
Wizards of the Coast (WotC): Founded 1990
TSR (Tactical Studies Rules): Founded 1973 by Gary Gygax
SSI (Strategic Simulations, Inc.): Founded 1979
UbiSoft: Founded 1986

Whew! Lets start the story with how D&D Came into Hasbro's hands...quickly, and then we'll return to the electronic publishing rights.

The story starts with Gary Gygax and others founding TSR in 1973 and producing D&D, given the age, obviously this was pen and paper. TSR Continued as a company till 1997 where, due to complete insolvency, it was purchased, along with another gaming entity, for $25M. WotC, to this day, still owns the rights to the D&D Intellectual Propery. However, in 1999 Hasbro finally purchases WotC and makes it a subsidiary division of Hasbro making Hasbro the final rights holder for D&D, where it currently resides today.

Electronically, however, the story is more sordid and more complicated. We'll start at the dawn of the personal computer age (where computers started entering the homes of most normal people) the late 1980's. In 1987 video game development and publishing company SSI (Strategic Simulations, Inc.) obtained the rights to publish D&D Based computer games from TSR Inc. They published Pool of Radiance in 1998 and War of the Lance in 1999 and continued producing D&D Based computer games. The were eventually sold to UbiSoft in 2001, but it looks like, Sans the D&D Electronic License.

THIS had been passed to BioWare (though I cannot find information on when or why). Working with Publishing Partner Interplay's money, BioWare created the Infinity Engine (the engine that runs BG, etc.) and produced a proof of concept demo called Battleground: Infinity. Interplay, however, realized that the engine would be well suited to the D&D Franchise and Baldur's Gate was created working with Black Isle Studios a subsidiary of it's publisher Interplay. At this point we can tell who owns what: BioWare owns the rights to the code for the infinity engine, Baldur's Gate which runs on top of it, and Interplay owns the license to publish the game. The time mark here is 1998.

BioWare proceeds to license the Infinity engine to Black Isle Studios who would go on to produce Planescape: Torment and the Icewind Dale series, and a few others.

In the mean time, Hasbro, getting in on the electronic publishing and video gaming industry has created Hasbro Interactive in 1995. Further, in 1998 it buys an important property to this discussion: Wizards of the Coast. D&D Is now owned by Hasbro. WotC is still its own company but now has a parent. All rights to the D&D game moves to Hasbro...however electronic rights are still legally held by BioWare.

Further, in 1996, Atari Corporation merges with a harddrive manufacturer named JT Storage (JTS). In this period the Atari disappears from all production...JT Storage pretty much ONLY holding the rights to the Atari name. JTS then sells these rights to Hasbro's computer division Hasbro Interactive in 1998 creating a new subsidiary company "Atari Interactive".

* In 1998, Both D&D and the Atari Brand are owned by Hasbro. Electronic D&D rights are owned by BioWare but also licensed to Black Isle, and publishing and distribution rights are owned by Interplay.

Here's where the story starts to go south. For the next two years, Interplay continues to publish games in the D&D Franchise including BG2 and it's expansion pack. However, this cannot keep interplay out of debt and in 2001 interplay shuts down Black Isle Studios and files bankruptcy. BioWare starts working with French gaming company Infogrames Interactive to publish games such as Neverwinter Nights and eventually sells their license to produce software based around D&D to them.

From the "just how the hell small is the video game industry anyway?" department, in the same year (2001) Infogrames Interactive buys Hasbro Interactive from Hasbro to become Infogrames Inc. (IESA also known as Atari SA). In 2003 Infogrames Inc. licenses the Atari name and logo from Atari Interactive (still owned by Hasbro) and then in 2008 finishes the purchase to create the wholly owned subsidiary Atari Inc. (or in our case Atari US...the people going through bankruptcy right now). Also in 2008 Atari Inc. (US) and Interplay complete a long standing legal battle for the D&D Rights...Atari "purchasing" them from Interplay for 1,050,000 in debt forgiveness.

The final standing in 2008:

* Hasbro owns WotC who owns D&D the RPG which was purchased from failing TSR.
* Infogrames Inc. (Atari SA) owns the Electronic License and the Distribution license to Electronic D&D Games. The IP License came from BioWare while the electronic distribution rights came from Interplay through Atari Inc.

From Wikipedia regarding the sale of Hasbro Interactive to Infogrames Inc.:

Under the terms of the sale agreement, Infogrames gained the rights to develop games based on Hasbro properties for a period of 15 years plus an option for an additional 5 years based on performance.[7]

http://www.atarihq.com/news/2000/1206.html

Based upon all of this there are some conclusions we can draw:

* Infogrames Inc. (Atari SA - the ones suing it's own child company Atari US for $230M and change) are the holders of the rights to develop, license, and distribute Electronic D&D properties. They own these rights till a MINIMUM of 2015 whereby the contract can be renewed for 5 years based upon performance.

* Atari US does not now nor has it ever owned any rights to D&D Properties. As a subsidiary company of Atari SA it's had the legal ability to publish games in the US based upon that property, but those rights are not owned by Atari US and thus are not up for sale or management based upon the Atari US bankruptcy.

And that takes us to Today with Atari US in Bankruptcy.

Hopefully this answers the question of who owns what at this point.

BG1 - favourite fights: Bounty Hunters and Mercenaries

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:) Couldn't quite fit all Iron Throne mercenary fights in. Aside from Nimbul, the solo mercenaries are under 'other'. For the heck of it, I also split the bandit camp into 2 groups: inside and outside of Tazok's tent.

What are your favourite fights? :D

Hopefully I didn't miss any. n_n'


EDIT - OH I forgot the Ogre Mages fight and the dull, trick-able ogre in BG. XD

Also forgot... Lakadaar and co (standing north of the Cloakwood Mine Entrance)

*sighs* Ah, just consider those as being under 'other' n_n;


Links to other fight polls and discussions:
http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/19882/bg1-favourite-fights-the-crazies
http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/19880/bg1-favourite-fights-adventuring-parties

http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/19873/favourite-party-fights

Part Two of 'You can't romance them - but you wish you could'

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There were complaints after some objects of desire were omitted from the first poll. So here is a new selection box of Baldur's Gate favourites for you to pick from.

You have hidden a secret passion for them but now it is time to tell the world. People, who do you love?

Who would play each NPC in Baldur's Gate: The movie?

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I had a quick search and couldn't seem to find if this thread had all ready been done, so here goes nothing.

Who would everyone cast as the recruitable NPCs in all of the Baldur's Gate games if they were made into full blown big budget Hollywood motion pictures?

While we're at it, why not mention any other characters you'd like to cast from the Saga?

Forgotten Realms Storyline

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Hi everyone,

I recently learned that the 4th Edition had retconned many many from past editions. There also were many things I didn't quite understand at the time and never got to see the explanations since it was overwritten in websites such as:



I am sending a distress call to this forum's D&D scholars. Please help me move on from these "mysteries". Unless otherwise specified, I would like 2nd Edition answers (that's the point). Thanks, in advance.
  1. I heard passage from one edition to the next where justified by "cataclysmic events" in the storyline... What happenned for the transition of 1st Ed. to 2n Ed.? 2nd Ed. to 3rd Ed.?
  2. Who or what is Vecna and what happened between him and the Lady of Pain?
  3. Speaking of the Lady of Pain... What is she? What's her purpose?
  4. Were the Abyss created at some remote point in time or has it always been there?
  5. Is there a link between FR and all those other realms I keep hearing all the time (Greyhack, Ravenloft, ...)?
  6. There are so many gods... were they all there in the beginning or do they keep poping from time to time?
  7. What is the Netheril Empire and it is related to Myth Drannor?
  8. Is the Severed Hand and Dorn's Deep canon?
  9. What's stronger: a pit fiend of a balor?
  10. What's the deal with Amaunator? Is he dead or is he not?
  11. Who or what in "the one in the void"?
  12. Why has Talos changed name from Kozah to Talos?
  13. What's the deal with Ravenloft's "Dark powers"?
  14. What is Ao and what's is game?
  15. What happenned to Myrkul?
  16. Is there a neutral equivalent to demons and fiends?
I understands this is pretty massive and I'm sure I forgot a few point as well, but hey, this would be so nice of you guys! Thanks again,

Jon

Baldur`s gate MEME Thread * Spoilers all over the place*

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Did a quick search for meme on the forum and could`nt find any thread so i thought i`d make one to se what madness bounces around in BG fans heads.

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Edit.
(yeah, shows the quality of humour when it needs to come with instructions, I hate Noober.)

Edit 2. It`s been explained several times through the thread so i`m posting it here too. Hopefully you`ll remember where to find it. ;)
To post you`re own MEME`s, copy the link and past it into this one witout the "`s.
<img src="http://www.eatliver.com/i.php?n=3510">

Quickmeme will give you a link like this http://qkme.me/3qwvux This will show up as the word image unless you
add "i." after // and a ".jpg" on the end. http://i.qkme.me/3qwvux.jpg

http://forum.baldursgate.com/discussion/161/how-to-format-your-posts/p1

edited as per @Son_of_Imoen`s suggestion.

Got a taste of evil: *SPOILERS* Meta-Gaming and Power Gaming inside (and Rasaad questions)

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So I started playing BGEE a few days ago with extremely charismatic NE Halfling Assassin. As such I got a taste of power which is the powergaming evilness of evil (not to be confused with the evil league of evil lead by bad horse, maybe after Throne of Bhaal).

But I'm about ready to restart my little halfling's run simply because:

A. The difficulty was much lower than I expected and it took me awhile to realize it
B. Reading the sling versus dart thread I want to change my little assassin from Crossbows to darts
C. In the same thread I learned about the Rasaad str belt, which I want to combine with the gauntlets of dex for Kagain so that he becomes the ultimate dwarf badass tank.

Which leads to the entire point of this topic, how far into Rasaad's quest do you need to go in order to get said belt and how long should it take me once I pick him up?

Baldur's Gate 2 hardware mouse cursor (mod)?

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So as the title says, is there a mod or fix that makes BG2's mouse smoother like in the EE?
I've always found it kinda sloppy but not that it's unplayable, it's still my favourite game ever. Just wondering...

Charname's race

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Lore-wise, how is it Charname is able to be pure-blood of any race other than Human? Seeing as Bhaal is human, wouldn't his spawn be half-human? Or do his "children" simply bear his essence and not his blood, meaning their race is that of their mothers? Assuming that is the case, how would one explain half breeds?

I am confused.

BG2 - Shots per round

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Hi there!

I wonder how the shots per round with a bow are calculated? Where can I see how many I have with a special bow?
Does the number increase with higher levels? Anyone who knows how that works?

Thanks a lot for help! :)

kicker04

Where can we see news updates for the "contractual issues" that is impeding BG works?

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Where can we see news updates for the "contractual issues" that is impeding BG updates and BG2 release?

Thanks!

Pseudo Dragon

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Does anyone know the Pseudo Dragon's actual stats?... I've seen some conflicting info from the research I've done. In BG2 it had -2 AC apparently, but I can't figure out whether it 0, 2, or 4 AC in BGEE... I've also seen conflicting info about THACO and other stats like Magic Resistance.

I have been able to figure out that it still regenerates HP (I hope I'd be able to figure that one out!), that it now has 12 HP instead of 24, etc.

Any help would be appreciated. Unfortunately I don't know how to use EEKeeper (or any other Keeper for that matter), or I'd try to figure this out myself. Thanks!

who gets boots of speed?

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Who do you give the cheetah paws to? :)


Usually I'll give it to a fighter around level 6 with low AC. Before then, I worry that the speedy one will run ahead and get themself killed. (I'm looking at you, Rasaad. ^-^)

Also, sometimes I'll give it to a scout to look ahead really fast. Or do some fast looting. n.n

It's just lucky that the boots fit both the towering Shar-Teel and kitten-sized Alora! :D

are halflings and gnomes the strongest races?! - relatively?

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Halflings weigh 30 to 35 pounds.
Gnomes weigh 40 to 45 pounds.

Tiax, Jan, Quayle, and Alora can each carry 50 pounds without being encumbered. o_O That's more than they weigh and without being weighed down.
Mazzy is just an absolute monster at being able to carry 120 pounds without encumbrance. And that's FOUR TIMES her body weight. O_O

How is that even possible... just wow. Amazing!

I want my..

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i want my, BG patch, BG patch, BG patch, BG patch, BG patch, BG patch, BG patch, BG patch.

How can I support?

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Baldurs Gate is hands down the best RPG of all time. Nothing comes close IMO not even fallout or final fantasy 7.
When I found out that BG was being enhanced and modded it took me back to that first day when I was 13 and I spent 10 hours building a character. How I was absolutely mesmerized by the beauty of the infinity engine. The sounds, the colors, the voice overs, you were taken to the world of dungeons and dragons like my young imagination had never conceived the paper and pen game.
I started playing BG for the first time in 6 years, I am so happy with the finished product of the EE edition. I want to support the game and the people that made this happen. What a great thing to offer fans of the game. I highly doubt they all did it for the money. They loved this game and if they want to invest in it's legacy they should be allowed to. It brings baldurs gate into the conversation for a new RPG game on modern systems that has the heart and soul that made BG such a great game but with the incredible advances in graphics and programming.
This EE will make everyone remember why this game was such a gem. Stopping it's release is a horrible thing to do. I'll pay double or even triple what they asked just to support the game being brought to a new audience
I wanna know what I can do to support the games EE release

sincerely, peter a jex

Pure cleric vs fighter cleric

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In light of having a six member party in the bigger picture of bgee2 and tob would the pure cleric have the advantage of a higher level than a fighter cleric. I have heard with a six member party you will not hit the level cap without using respawning bugs.

It seems to me the fighter cleric would become a poorer spell caster on the last game compared to the pure cleric.

Wait, what? Baldur's Gate and NWN connected?

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I know that both take place in the same continent, but what is this?

I dl BG2 over GOG because I wanted to support the franchise and have a digital copy+wallpapers bla bla bla and to see if my save from BGEE could carry over - and it did!! anyway, I started it up (... im def getting the enchanhed edition for BG2 later as well) and then this came up during the game?!!!!!!!

1. they advs in BG2 for NWN??? very bizzare to do so during the story...
2. is it true, and what does it mean?
3. how will it work in the story?
4. BG 2 didnt look crappy in the GOG-version if you unlock HD modes.
5. Or is this just an update through GOG to make you buy NWN as well?


http://s14.photobucket.com/user/QuezcatoL/media/BGMain2013-07-2113-40-12-61_zps5b09cd03.png.html

I might pick up NWN1+ expansions/diamond versions over GOG if its true.

also I apologies if this is old news, I was 14 the last time I played Baldur's Gate II and never remember this.

Tome of Wisdom.

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Can I get it back by pick pocketing her ?
I would like to keep it for Jaheria. ( I know there is another one later on...but that's way later ! ) But I don't want to die either. ( Geas quest )
Can I kill her after I find the boys body and get it back then ?
She makes my skin crawl...therefore she deserves a mace upside the head.
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